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Re: Trying to solve the trade dilemma

By blackflys
8/15/2016 5:56 am
It was a fair trade and a good,one for Cincy.

What made this a bust was the owner switching him to a DT. What makes you say he's a bust? Is it because his 65 speed? Best free safety I've ever had is LG 19 Peters who I regretfully traded to KC . He had 65 speed, my best stats were again from FS Felder who has 71 speed. This is kinda like trades that get evaluated by just ratings and owners who don't bother to check stats . He started out as an 87 with a 65 speed so why draft a player who is automatically a bust because hes not fast enough for what you think you need. Free safety's don't cover the fast WRs so speed isn't as important for them. I prefer it but I know that other ratings can make up for a slower FS.

I'm kinda stunned a owner would try and justify the strategy he uses like it's realistic or as if it works. Clearly it does not work to switch FS to DT and DE to CB. And to use speed as a positioning factor on your depth chart defeats the whole purpose of what the game is made for. That is creating your own system and building it depending on your players skills. I'm sure you might have seen one or two guys work out but records show and playoff appearances are slim Pickens .
I have no problem with any of it. Everybody has opinions about players , teams this or that. That's what makes this game so fun.

Re: Trying to solve the trade dilemma

By WarEagle
8/15/2016 6:16 am
parsh wrote:
RollTide = WarEagle ... Lol jk ..


**** no!!

Re: Trying to solve the trade dilemma

By punisher
8/15/2016 1:10 pm
blackflys wrote:
It was a fair trade and a good,one for Cincy.

What made this a bust was the owner switching him to a DT. What makes you say he's a bust? Is it because his 65 speed? Best free safety I've ever had is LG 19 Peters who I regretfully traded to KC . He had 65 speed, my best stats were again from FS Felder who has 71 speed. This is kinda like trades that get evaluated by just ratings and owners who don't bother to check stats . He started out as an 87 with a 65 speed so why draft a player who is automatically a bust because hes not fast enough for what you think you need. Free safety's don't cover the fast WRs so speed isn't as important for them. I prefer it but I know that other ratings can make up for a slower FS.

I'm kinda stunned a owner would try and justify the strategy he uses like it's realistic or as if it works. Clearly it does not work to switch FS to DT and DE to CB. And to use speed as a positioning factor on your depth chart defeats the whole purpose of what the game is made for. That is creating your own system and building it depending on your players skills. I'm sure you might have seen one or two guys work out but records show and playoff appearances are slim Pickens .
I have no problem with any of it. Everybody has opinions about players , teams this or that. That's what makes this game so fun.


Actually if somehow people could target certain players on defense where they go after the weakest player or slowest player like it happens in the NFL where teams try to target a CB that is rookie then really that player I just traded to Cincinnati would most likely targeted every game by people who play Cincinnati sure he might do well for him but there is a chance he costs him a game or 2 or maybe more and I really doubt then he would be willingly to keep him at that position because I doubt you could find anyone on this website or any website for that matter that could afford to have to many losses to their team because if they have too many they may not make the playoffs at all.

Now if that CB and offensive lineman do what I thought they could do in that the reason I was going for them and that draft pick turns out for me then really you could say I did better in the deal in that I got 3 players awhile he got 1 player that could benefit his team so I would have him on players by a 3 to 1 advantage.

Even if they don't pan out and the CB does help my defense going up against the WRs he will face and does better more times than not , if that offensive lineman becomes my starter on my line and keeps the defense off my QB and if that draft pick either helps me on offense by giving me more playmakers or on defense where I improve my defense basically from day to night then really it helps my team and might make me have better part of the deal.




WarEagle wrote:
parsh wrote:
RollTide = WarEagle ... Lol jk ..

**** no!!


Can we vote on that??
Still if we cant then my wish is you 2 are in the same division in a league or maybe try to get in the same division in each of the leagues you 2 are in.
That way we could decide the better one Auburn or Alabama once for all.

Re: Trying to solve the trade dilemma

By Brrexkl
8/16/2016 2:22 am
blackflys wrote:
It was a fair trade and a good,one for Cincy.

What made this a bust was the owner switching him to a DT. What makes you say he's a bust? Is it because his 65 speed? Best free safety I've ever had is LG 19 Peters who I regretfully traded to KC . He had 65 speed, my best stats were again from FS Felder who has 71 speed. This is kinda like trades that get evaluated by just ratings and owners who don't bother to check stats . He started out as an 87 with a 65 speed so why draft a player who is automatically a bust because hes not fast enough for what you think you need. Free safety's don't cover the fast WRs so speed isn't as important for them. I prefer it but I know that other ratings can make up for a slower FS.

I'm kinda stunned a owner would try and justify the strategy he uses like it's realistic or as if it works. Clearly it does not work to switch FS to DT and DE to CB. And to use speed as a positioning factor on your depth chart defeats the whole purpose of what the game is made for. That is creating your own system and building it depending on your players skills. I'm sure you might have seen one or two guys work out but records show and playoff appearances are slim Pickens .
I have no problem with any of it. Everybody has opinions about players , teams this or that. That's what makes this game so fun.


In a 4 Wide or 5 Wide Set, who does the FS Cover? Likely the 4th WR or 5th WR.

SS usually gets FB, then RB, then TE when they are available. FS usually gets RB, then TE, then Slot when available.

Teams with Fast RBs, TEs, or Slots can abuse a Safety for slow Speed.

Now, we see that Punisher loves Speed, even his Starting DT has 85 Speed, and the CB he traded for has 90 Speed. The guy, he values speed. (Though he does have a very solid Run Stopping DT in his Rotation, which is smart of him. So he doesn't completely abandon Run Stopping.)

Now, you might be able to make a 65 Speed Safety work. For you, he's not a Bust.

But Steve Young was absolutely a Bust for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He was a HOF QB for the San Francisco 49er's. So perhaps you are more Bill Walsh/Mike Holmgrem, and Punisher is more John McKay/Leeman Bennett.

Which is to say that just because you can get a 65 Speed Free Safety to work doesn't mean everyone can. Just as McKay/Bennett couldn't get a HOF QB to be successful for them.

Re: Trying to solve the trade dilemma

By blackflys
8/16/2016 1:45 pm
If a coach uses a first rd pick to get a player, atleast try him and find out if he would work for you or not. And ya some situations speed can lose but in more situations coverage skills will lose. We will never know if he woulda been good saftey for punisher because weighing 208 lbs he moved him to DT. Wanna talk about getting abused. Anyways that's more of beginning of the year wildcats movie coach decision.

Re: Trying to solve the trade dilemma

By blackflys
8/16/2016 1:54 pm
Rather then disagree with anything I say why don't you check stats?
Going into his 3rd year he has went up 11 points and now is an 88
He is 65 speed but 100 of every other important category.
His stats for cincy 43 passes thrown at 7 catches allowed 7 knock downs 13 tackles 1 missed.
Career 55 thrown 9 catches under 10 percent might make you think about what's important.

Re: Trying to solve the trade dilemma

By raymattison21
8/16/2016 3:14 pm
blackflys wrote:
Rather then disagree with anything I say why don't you check stats?
Going into his 3rd year he has went up 11 points and now is an 88
He is 65 speed but 100 of every other important category.
His stats for cincy 43 passes thrown at 7 catches allowed 7 knock downs 13 tackles 1 missed.
Career 55 thrown 9 catches under 10 percent might make you think about what's important.


Tangent time...but no doubt, those stats matter, but play one game, ( reg. , pre, post) , but only one and cross reference your defensive team stats. It has average pass att. And comp. . In theory that should alignme with catches allowed and thrown ats if you total them up.

I have done multiple times for fun and still cannot figure why this recording is off. I think in MFN 1 i tallied my season totals. The thrown at number is 34 percent larger than the pass attempts, but the catch allowed was close. But after doing a few one game totals I have had the catch allowed be several less than the opponents QBs comps.

Point, how accurate are those numbers and why or how are the off? Cause to me evaluation goes out the window.

Re: Trying to solve the trade dilemma

By blackflys
8/16/2016 3:33 pm
I'm glad you pick up on these type of things. Every completion doesent count as a catch allowed. I've noticed this for a long time. It might be because they credit it to the WR , actually I have no idea . I do know that I have seen 3-13 teams have good defesive numbers, and 14-2 teams have worse individual numbers? Also it could be due to a real short pass being only one or two yards and your db stuffing him when he catches it doesent count and it shouldn't. In the case above you don't see many players with that kind of percentage. At the same time you are right and it's sometimes hard to judge your guys by the numbers. Same goes with OL. They don't give a sack allowed every play . Maybe because they credit the secondary for a coverage sack. Hopefully someone can tell us.

Re: Trying to solve the trade dilemma

By jdavidbakr - Site Admin
8/16/2016 4:07 pm
Catch allowed means the DB was in coverage on that player. Sometimes a WR will be in the hole between zones, or maybe even a RB out of the backfield who is not being covered, in those cases there is no defender to credit a catch allowed to.

Re: Trying to solve the trade dilemma

By GrandadB
8/16/2016 6:07 pm
Brrexkl wrote:
blackflys wrote:
It was a fair trade and a good,one for Cincy.

What made this a bust was the owner switching him to a DT. What makes you say he's a bust? Is it because his 65 speed? Best free safety I've ever had is LG 19 Peters who I regretfully traded to KC . He had 65 speed, my best stats were again from FS Felder who has 71 speed. This is kinda like trades that get evaluated by just ratings and owners who don't bother to check stats . He started out as an 87 with a 65 speed so why draft a player who is automatically a bust because hes not fast enough for what you think you need. Free safety's don't cover the fast WRs so speed isn't as important for them. I prefer it but I know that other ratings can make up for a slower FS.

I'm kinda stunned a owner would try and justify the strategy he uses like it's realistic or as if it works. Clearly it does not work to switch FS to DT and DE to CB. And to use speed as a positioning factor on your depth chart defeats the whole purpose of what the game is made for. That is creating your own system and building it depending on your players skills. I'm sure you might have seen one or two guys work out but records show and playoff appearances are slim Pickens .
I have no problem with any of it. Everybody has opinions about players , teams this or that. That's what makes this game so fun.


In a 4 Wide or 5 Wide Set, who does the FS Cover? Likely the 4th WR or 5th WR.

SS usually gets FB, then RB, then TE when they are available. FS usually gets RB, then TE, then Slot when available.

Teams with Fast RBs, TEs, or Slots can abuse a Safety for slow Speed.

Now, we see that Punisher loves Speed, even his Starting DT has 85 Speed, and the CB he traded for has 90 Speed. The guy, he values speed. (Though he does have a very solid Run Stopping DT in his Rotation, which is smart of him. So he doesn't completely abandon Run Stopping.)

Now, you might be able to make a 65 Speed Safety work. For you, he's not a Bust.

But Steve Young was absolutely a Bust for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He was a HOF QB for the San Francisco 49er's. So perhaps you are more Bill Walsh/Mike Holmgrem, and Punisher is more John McKay/Leeman Bennett.

Which is to say that just because you can get a 65 Speed Free Safety to work doesn't mean everyone can. Just as McKay/Bennett couldn't get a HOF QB to be successful for them.

Brex! references to the NFL? Thought this was not an NFL simulation, lol.