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Re: *** ANNOUNCEMENT *** Game engine 0.4.6 released!

By TheAdmiral
10/13/2021 8:41 am
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/forums/6/2184?page=1

12th Dec, a couple of minor tweaks, which reduced sacks a little.

Re: *** ANNOUNCEMENT *** Game engine 0.4.6 released!

By raymattison21
10/13/2021 12:18 pm
TheAdmiral wrote:
https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/forums/6/2184?page=1

12th Dec, a couple of minor tweaks, which reduced sacks a little.


Thanks I do remember that one!

Re: *** ANNOUNCEMENT *** Game engine 0.4.6 released!

By Cjfred68
10/14/2021 6:26 am
3 FULL SEASONS USING BETA IN MFN-1 AND LEAUGUE OF LEGENDS

NO 4,000 YARD PASSERS
NO 30 TD PASSES

THANKS FOR RELEASING A VERSION THAT TAKES THE FUN OUT OF THE GAME!!!

IN 2020, THE NFL HAD WELL OVER 12,000 TOTAL POINTS SCORES.

ON AVERAGE, 4.5 PRODUCED SEASONS WITH 10,000 POINTS SCORED. THATS IN LINE WITH THE NFL IN 1998

ON AVERAGE, 4.6 PRODUCED SEASONS WITH 8,000 POINTS SCORED. THATS IN LINE WITH THE NFL IN 1978.

DO EVERYONE A FAVOR AND REMAIN THIS GAME TO "MY FOOTBALL BACK THEN" OR "OLDTIME FOOTBALL"

I QUIT 5 LEAGUES LAST NIGHT IN ANTICIPATION OF THE 4.6 RELEASE. YOU TOOK A POLL IN MFN-1, SHOULD BETA BE RELEASED AND 8 YES VOTES WON??? THATS NOT EVEN A QUARTER OF THAT LEAGUE!

RINGING ENDORSEMENT FOR A VERSION THAT PUTS SHACKLES ON THE PASSING GAME WHEN IT CLEARLY NEEDED TO BE OPENED UP MORE!!!

IVE SPENT 1000'S OF HOURS OVER THE LAST 4 YEARS PLAYING THIS GAME, SPENT 100'S OF DOLLARS ON CREDITS ALL THE WHILE CREATING LEAGUES AND PROMOTING THEM WITH ADDED CONTENT.

IM STAYING IN MY 2 TWENTY SEASON LEAGUES BECAUSE OF ALL THE TIME AND EFFORT IVE PUT INTO THEM AND ALSO SO I HAVE A FRONT ROW SEAT TO WATCH MFN BURN.

I PREDICT A MASS EXODUS ONCE OWNERS REALIZE THEY CANT PASS THE BALL ANYMORE.

IM SURE I WILL GET ATTACKED FOR THIS POST, AND HONESTLY COULD CARE LESS. JDB IS MAKING A MISTAKE RELEASING A VERSION THAT ADDRESSED SOME CONCERNS BUT SHUTS DOWN THE PASSING OFFENSE.

NO PATRICK MAHOMES, LAMAR JACKSON, JUSTIN HERBERT, RUSSELL WILSON OR EVEN OLD TOM BRADY TYPE QB NUMBERS OR ANYTHING CLOSE TO THEM!

ITS LIKE THE PROPONENTS OF 4.6 AND THE DEVELOPER OF THE GAME HAVENT WATCHED A NFL GAME IN YEARS!!

IM SAD BECAUSE IVE TRULY LOVED THIS GAME AND ITS HELPED ME AND OTHERS GET THROUGH SOME TOUGH TIMES BY BEING A FUN ESCAPE.

ENJOY THE NEW OLD TIME FOOTBALL GAME EVERYONE

CJ

Re: *** ANNOUNCEMENT *** Game engine 0.4.6 released!

By Smirt211
10/14/2021 6:32 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1LsRShUPtY

I've summed up all the Wile E. Coyote traps laid in v4.6 to prevent any ability to pass over in the USFL League Forum.

If I can't figure out how to derive passing yardage with my competitiveness and determination - good luck to everyone else!

Re: *** ANNOUNCEMENT *** Game engine 0.4.6 released!

By raymattison21
10/14/2021 7:24 am
You can keep your leagues or any customer leagues on 4.5 if you or anyone would like that

Re: *** ANNOUNCEMENT *** Game engine 0.4.6 released!

By jackals
10/14/2021 8:12 pm
Cjfred68 wrote:
YOU TOOK A POLL IN MFN-1, SHOULD BETA BE RELEASED AND 8 YES VOTES WON??? THATS NOT EVEN A QUARTER OF THAT LEAGUE!


This is the most concerning part. A vocal minority have been the only ones pushing for 0.4.6. Yes, Hitch spam is boring. Yes, punt blocking exploits are lame. But I would much rather have a game where leagues can easily prevent these exploits with rules (or just hotfixes) than this passing/scoring nerf.

I'm not going to give up, because I'm a competitor. But 0.4.6 doesn't really solve many of the other problems (speed being too important, etc.), it just makes them worse. We're about to see talent levels drop when positions where speed didn't matter much can't have players playing into their 30s because speed matters more for them now.

Re: *** ANNOUNCEMENT *** Game engine 0.4.6 released!

By TheAdmiral
10/15/2021 1:18 am
For clarity, I'm not in MFN1 so didn't vote. There were 5 or 6 open teams throughout the poll and no-one rushed to take those positions.

JDB has said that he's happy to roll a league back to 4.5 if that is requested by the League Admin.

If you really don't like 4.6, just play in the leagues that choose to stay with 4.5.

Re: *** ANNOUNCEMENT *** Game engine 0.4.6 released!

By IoanBlood
10/15/2021 3:01 am
jackals wrote:
Cjfred68 wrote:
YOU TOOK A POLL IN MFN-1, SHOULD BETA BE RELEASED AND 8 YES VOTES WON??? THATS NOT EVEN A QUARTER OF THAT LEAGUE!


This is the most concerning part. A vocal minority have been the only ones pushing for 0.4.6. Yes, Hitch spam is boring. Yes, punt blocking exploits are lame. But I would much rather have a game where leagues can easily prevent these exploits with rules (or just hotfixes) than this passing/scoring nerf.



Just my 2 cents:

Only 12 out of 31 took part in the survey, which was open for a few days / weeks. The rest probably didn't care or they were just too lazy to vote. (Reminds me of the vote on BREXIT in UK).
Of these 12, 2/3 voted FOR a changeover, i.e. the majority of voters.

BTW I've only played the versions 0.45 and 0.46. I personally would prefer v0.45 right now but only with restrictions and rules like GM I and GM II and many others. In my eyes v0.46 is not ready for release out of BETA status right now. There are too many things to be done to make it comparable with RL NFL today. But hey, it's still a simulation which will never really reflect RL.
Last edited at 10/15/2021 3:21 am

Re: *** ANNOUNCEMENT *** Game engine 0.4.6 released!

By raymattison21
10/15/2021 5:49 am
jackals wrote:
Cjfred68 wrote:
YOU TOOK A POLL IN MFN-1, SHOULD BETA BE RELEASED AND 8 YES VOTES WON??? THATS NOT EVEN A QUARTER OF THAT LEAGUE!


This is the most concerning part. A vocal minority have been the only ones pushing for 0.4.6. Yes, Hitch spam is boring. Yes, punt blocking exploits are lame. But I would much rather have a game where leagues can easily prevent these exploits with rules (or just hotfixes) than this passing/scoring nerf.

I'm not going to give up, because I'm a competitor. But 0.4.6 doesn't really solve many of the other problems (speed being too important, etc.), it just makes them worse. We're about to see talent levels drop when positions where speed didn't matter much can't have players playing into their 30s because speed matters more for them now.


That’s false. If anything older players are more valuable now. That speed drop is less of an end game impacter. Intelligence experience play familiarity all matter more imo. Don’t forget play counts, keys and play scouting. Real those few big plays on either side of the ball matter more

4.5 there are larger gaps within each weight for speed. The wr... at FB.... glitching the flats .... not as bad as in 4.6... because of the speed. And the light weight speedy LBer at DE playing the 3 or 7 technique glitches every play not just the 46. That’s tempered as well. Yes, there’s some truth in speed being valued but it’s nothing like any other version. The windows of opportunity are the smallest they have been.

Just look at the drafts.... DBs and wrs sitting around not picked.....essentially that’s any prior version get that fastest best guy... get it now (speed) and without the right plan you can still get beat. And the only reason is cause of speed changes.

And like I said if anything the talent pool has been expanded by allowing more guys to get into position quicker.....just the opposite of what I think your describing but again it’s all opinions. Some other I guarantee we agree on but I just don’t see the speed thing

4.6 doesn’t solve

blocks being held too long in the run game
Huge holes in zone coverages and deep zone defenders jumping passes bad
Man defenders over reacting to off the ball passes
Poor qb reads on longer passes
Cover guys not knowing what to do if assignments are not going out for a pass
Fatigue being tied successful/ unsuccessful RNG outcomes

New problems are Coverage is too tight causing mix of low offensive stats and potentially useless longer developing pass plays. Other words long pass = sack city

Non blitz plays are overpowered... you can run on them but as play counts rise the offense stands no chance is ratings are close. Penalize all plays equally!


Re: *** ANNOUNCEMENT *** Game engine 0.4.6 released!

By Smirt211
10/15/2021 8:07 am
The '3 Lieutenants' can bloviate from their lectern 1 by 1 and I can picture ya'll espousing your infinite wisdom on the pearls and absolute genius that is the encapsulated release of version 4.6, however, your 'world stage' is actually a pom-pom equipped audience of 1 - the creator himself.

Give me an F
Give me an A
Give Me an I
Give me an L

FAIL FAIL FAIL.

FAIL MODE. Yay! lol

.....

It needs work/adjustments. Open up the passing, reduce the DL pressure.