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Re: What a surprise...

By Sardean
5/09/2015 1:45 am
im the scarecrows neighbour, can't you tell from my posts?

Re: What a surprise...

By Mr.Krazy
5/09/2015 3:41 am
Sardean wrote:
Mr.Krazy wrote:
Sardean wrote:
Every team is cheating one way or another, except seattle that is :D bahahaha
Sardean, are you from Washington State? Or is Seattle your favorite team, cause my favorite team is from my home state of Washington :P


OMFG! you are CRAZY not krazy, in another thread we went through this lol. I go for the Seahawks lol. BTW I am from Australia. YES MFN 20 Home Field Advantage was won by an AUSSIE! shame on you all.
Haha that's why my name is Mr.Krazy you big ol Sardean. I have short term memory loss.... on your posts lol.

Go Hawks

Re: What a surprise...

By Morbid
5/11/2015 6:23 pm
Wow... 4 games, a 1st round and a 4th round pick and 1 million bucks. This is fine but I hope the NFL realizes the can of worms they opened with this *integrity of the game* penalty they just established.

Find it funny tho that 2 times last season 2 NFL teams were actually CAUGHT tampering with footballs during a football game with no probability. One for wrapping the ***** in a towel that had stickem on it and the other for putting the ***** under a heater during a game (which is now proven increases the pressure). Where are these penalties and integrity of the game.

How about this. Shouldnt the NFL and referees also be punished for integrity of the game if they knew the ***** went missing before the game and still allowed the 1st half to be played with them instead of automatically switching them out for the reserve *****. This was a witch hunt from the start. No doubt about it

Re: What a surprise...

By mrfakename
5/11/2015 8:16 pm
No doubt...Qiute a creative way for the NFL to make some drama for next season. Its all about the money.

Re: What a surprise...

By Gustoon - League Admin
5/12/2015 1:47 am
Guess we all have our opinions on this but I think this pretty much sums up what I feel....
http://www.footballperspective.com/thoughts-on-tom-bradys-deflategate-punishment/

Thoughts on Tom Brady’s DeflateGate Punishment
by CHASE STUART on MAY 12, 2015
in CURRENT EVENTS
As you know by now, Tom Brady has been suspended for the first four games of the season. This seems to have sparked outrage among everybody because that is what we do in 2015. But let’s try to take a logical approach to things.

Do you think the Patriots intentionally deflated footballs?

The answer to this one seems to be almost certainly yes. The numbers bear that out, as does the very lengthy Wells Report. There has been some confusion about the Wells Report findings, so let’s try to clear that up now.

What exactly did the NFL ask Wells and his team to do? To “conduct an investigation… pursuant to the Policy on Integrity of the Game & Enforcement of Competitive Rules.” The very first footnote in the Wells report reads

Under the Policy, the “standard of proof required to find that a violation of the competitive rules has occurred” is a “Preponderance of the Evidence,” meaning that “as a whole, the fact sought to be proved is more probable than not.”

So the NFL asked Wells to determine if it was more probable than not that the Patriots violated the rules. Here was Wells’ conclusion:

For the reasons described in this Report, and after a comprehensive investigation, we have concluded that, in connection with the AFC Championship Game, it is more probable than not that New England Patriots personnel participated in violations of the Playing Rules and were involved in a deliberate effort to circumvent the rules.

Wells’ report did not say he thought there was a 51% chance the Patriots violated the rules. In reading the report, it seems pretty clear that Wells thought it very likely that the Patriots violated the rules. But that wasn’t the question he was asked. He was asked if he thought it was more probable than not that the Patriots deliberately circumvented the rules, and to that he answered in the affirmative. At this point, I don’t see any rational argument to be made to the contrary, given the duration and depth of Wells’ investigation. Sure, it’s theoretically possible that the Patriots did not intentionally cheat, but that seems to be very unlikely.

Okay, let’s assume the Patriots intentionally circumvented the rules. How likely is it that Brady knew about it?

Exceedingly, based on my source common sense. To think otherwise would be to believe that low-level Patriots employees were tampering with the footballs Tom Brady would use in a playoff game. That would obviously be a fireable offense — it sounds like the football version of treason! It’s well-documented that Brady, like many other quarterbacks, is particular about the air pressure in his footballs. To think that Patriots employees would be deflating footballs without Brady’s knowledge would mean you have to think that either (1) they were trying to sabotage the Patriots, but messed up because they thought Brady liked his footballs overinflated; or (2) they heard throught he grapevine that Brady liked his footballs deflated and decided to go ahead and help him out without him knowing.

It seems infinitely more plausible that Brady just told them what he wanted and they listened, like pretty much every other person in the Patriots organization would have done. The fact that Brady claimed to not know McNally was found by Wells to be implausible, and given the cell phone records, it is hard to reach any other conclusion.

Okay, let’s assume Brady asked the Patriots employees to help him circumvent the rules. Who cares? It’s about the air pressure in the football.

Well, the NFL cares. And given the Patriots history and the general uncooperative nature of the investigation, I don’t think Goodell was looking for reasons to be sympathetic to New England here. NFL punishments are random, but it seems as though suspending a player for four games for tampering with a football before a playoff game could be viewed as a pretty light punishment.

Now, I don’t know what the benefit is to deflating the football before a game. Did it increase New England’s win probability by 1%? 5%? We’re speaking about pre-game win probabilities here, since nothing short of turning the football into a pancake could have changed how that particular game unfolded (and maybe not even that). But if you think about this in terms of Super Bowl win probability, how much of an impact is missing the first four games of the regular season?

Everybody hates Roger Goodell1, but I don’t think he had a lot of wiggle room here. His independent investigator determined that he thought the Patriots cheated, and common sense tells you that if the Patriots were cheating, Brady knew about it. If every there was a time to suspend a player, I would think unleveling the playing field in a playoff game is a pretty good time to do it.

Re: What a surprise...

By Morbid
5/12/2015 10:07 am
ok, what about the 2 teams last season that tampered with fooballs during the season and were caught during the game, one team had used a towel sprayed with stickem the other put the ***** under a teams heater on the sideline. How come they went unpunished? Its still tampering of the ***** and the second one would raise the air pressure of the ball and keeep it dry if it was raining. The first one would provide a better grip. I believe both those teams were just told to not do it again.

I still believe this was a complete set up by the NFL, Colts and Refs.

And I am tired about hearing about Spygate, that also was no big deal. The rule wasnt that you couldnt tape opponents, it was just where the camera's could be. Big whoopie on that also... lol

My point is that they now set a standard and anything illegally done by any team from now on should be handled the same way as pretty much anything you do is messing with the "Integrity of the game" and 1st round picks should be taken away. They just set that standard now IMO

Re: What a surprise...

By dmcc1
5/12/2015 12:02 pm
"More probable than not" should not be used to find someone guilty.

If its 90% probable then fair enough but it could mean 50.01% probable.

Re: What a surprise...

By Morbid
5/12/2015 12:14 pm
dmcc1 wrote:
"More probable than not" should not be used to find someone guilty.

If its 90% probable then fair enough but it could mean 50.01% probable.


Brady's lawyer is gonna rip the NFL apart, watch and see

Re: What a surprise...

By Gustoon - League Admin
5/12/2015 1:52 pm
Morbid wrote:
dmcc1 wrote:
"More probable than not" should not be used to find someone guilty.

If its 90% probable then fair enough but it could mean 50.01% probable.


Brady's lawyer is gonna rip the NFL apart, watch and see


Good, I hope so

Re: What a surprise...

By Gustoon - League Admin
5/12/2015 3:10 pm