I'm impressed, its taken 4 pages before agenda has been revealed.

I support the "Public trade offers" change more than any others.

I see the potential negative than JDB pointed out in his initial post,(Active owners would have more opportunities to offer trades) but this is already a part of the current trade engine. Countless times I've gotten online and seen a message from an owner wanting to trade, and before I could offer a trade, I notice that they've already traded the player/pick! Picking out this as the biggest negative against the proposal shows that it really wouldn't alter the current system negatively much at all.

Also, if trade offers became public, it would actually incentivize an owner to wait longer before accepting a deal, because that would allow more "bids" to come in. Thus helping less active owners be able to be involved in more trades. Really this change would help the game in many ways;

-You could loosen up trade meter restrictions, because the "free market" will help eliminate unfair trades. (This is a big problem with no obvious solution, that would be solved immediately)

-Highlight/eliminate cheaters. (It would be obvious if someone accepted a much lower value deal etc.)

-Increase the amount of trades, and make trades more interactive for owners.

-League-wide trade criticism would happen before the trade was accepted, not after when it's too late.

-New owners can get instant feedback on what other owners think of an offer. Which can help acclimate them to the trade market much quicker.

-Owners would still have their freedom to deal as they please!

So then my analysis on the Trade was spot on.

****, I'm getting fairly good at this. :D :D LOL!

I agree.

We need to step away from the "Real Life Football" model a bit... in real life a Week is 7 Days, in MFN a Week is 2 Days during the Season.

That right there should be enough to tell us we can't operate like 'real life football'.

How many of you have a Secretary that can contact my Secretary so we can hammer a deal out before the dead line? None of us. This is a very short, very condensed 'conception' of the NFL.

The Stats can't be like the NFL, and the Management isn't going to be like the NFL. We have to accept that. I get 'truism' and I get being 'faithful to reality', but if any of us had the actual time to treat MFN like it was our Job... then we likely wouldn't have the job we have and would instead be on a Coaching Staff some where that matters.

So with that in mind, why not have Trade Offers viewable? If the guys don't want to wait... he accepts instantly. We can still critique, but both sides were already good so they moved on. But some one unsure or new can hold out a bit, hear the voices of other Owners in his League before making the final decision.

In the mind frame it makes each League BETTER, as we can help new owners (myself included) become better informed owners. Some won't care, think they know everything already, and do it anyways. That's fine, some learn the hard way.

But if just ONE discussion occurs where an Owner learns more about the League he's in and the way Trades work and the impact of Players... then that's a Win. That's an Improved Owner that can help make his League better.

We don't have a Mentor Program, there is no 'sit and watch me do this until you are ready'. But it's better for everyone to help Owners at least gain compentancy, because that jacked up Trade eventually effects EVERYONE in the League.

Now, I don't think good jobs of 'snow jobs' have been given, I've personally shot a lot of them down... but I'm not naïve enough to think they don't occur. However the flip side is also true, some times two teams each have viable plans, but the LEAGUE can't understand the thinking. So it helps both ways, where Teams can explain their logic and reason to the League if a Trade Offer catches flak, and maybe with the Owners perspective being given the League can see the Reasoning... which can save a lot of pent up resentments that arise from what is actually a failure to shift perspectives.

I love the idea. Maybe it can be 'Optional'. The person Receiving the Offer can 'Send to Forum' the Deal, or can just accept it and move on. The Accepted Deal hits the Forum anyways, so it can't be hidden... it can simply be accepted without input. We'll all see once it happens anyways.

But let the OPTION exist, I'm sure it will go a long way to improving all the Leagues.

I saw this thread and thought, 'I wonder what sort of ridiculous trade Punisher made this time', got to this post, and about lost my mind laughing. It's like clockwork at this point.

Punisher seems like a great guy who really enjoys playing here, but he is notorious for being easily taken advantage of in trades. Everyone who has been on this forum for more than a month knows this, so it's going to be hard to grab the moral high ground here.

The problem is, at least if you are discussing the Linked Trade above, that this isn't even a bad Trade for either side.

If Cincy can Scheme that Safety properly (which I'm sure isn't the easiest task, I have much to learn about setting up a playbook to mask a weakness, which his Lack of Speed certainly is)... he's going to be an 'extra LB in the Box' Super Star.

Which is way better than the 5th String DT that Safety was being used as (though I can see why he was moved there, he's got really good Run/Pass/TKL stats and 'good enough' speed for Pass Rush DT).

And if Tennessee DOES pass way more than run, that LT works and isn't nearly as bad as his overall. Of course, if they Run more than Throw... that guy is gonna ****. LOL! So it depends on their Offensive Style to how valuable that LT is. The CB is Fast, maybe he has a lot of Slow CB and needed the speed without having stellar coverage (but not horrible, I might add). These two alone don't equal to a Properly Schemed Seaman, so I get the 2nd. I'd have offered a 3rd, a 1st would have been a bit much... but a 2nd is reasonable.

It's a solid deal for all involved IF each side does the right thing with Scheme/Play Book. It falls apart horribly if either sides fails to put these guys in the best position to produce.

I see this Trade as a thing of beauty... which I admit might have been completely accidental by both parties. LOL! Now, as long as the Owners can make it look as good on Game Day as it looks in Theory, we've got a Grand Slam of Value here.

We salvaged a 'Failed First Round Pick' in the process as well. That's what I love the most. A Pick 1.19 was being relegated to 5th DT, and Cincy is putting him back in the spot light as a SS1... that's freaking awesome.

I hope it works out for both of them... because the logic and reasoning is there (whether they actually applied it or not during the process). This Trade rocks on so many levels.

I agree with all of this, except the part about making the trades "public" being optional.

This may be too obvious of a solution, if you are unsure a trade you are going to do is fair .. just post it to the league forum yourself.

Just know that other owners cannot see the trade bar.

I know this doesn't solve anything if neither party posts, but it's a step.

And maybe if owner A keeps getting flamed for bad offers .. the owner stops offering or leaves the league.

I would consider leaving the game if trade offers become public. That's ridiculous. I don't care if it "solves the problem" it entirely changes what trading is. It'll become more like public bidding for government contracts or something.

You could still just send someone a private message to offer a trade if you're worried about something....

Trading is exchanging resources. It would not be fundamentally changed at all.

I'm not sure what you're saying, you don't want people "bidding" because...?
It may drive up the price sometimes, but everything will even out over time I imagine. Free markets typically have a way of balancing supply/demand out.

Also Government bidding is frequently done behind closed doors and is scrutinized for having collusion between sides....the very thing this change would prevent!