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Re: Wouldnt it be nice

By Gustoon - League Admin
9/01/2016 2:04 pm
murderleg wrote:
Gustoon wrote:
Gramps has had the ***** to bring up the Elephant in the room and NO ONE has had the ***** to even remotely agree with him.
Seriously if anyone thinks this game is snow white, you are truly deluded. There is a problem in here and it is easy to find, if you look hard enough.


What?

No one said the problem didn't exist. Nobody said they didn't agree with him that it exists.

I personally told him to take it out with JDB, not call some poor guy out on the forums. Like I said, all it does is make people feel like s*** when they don't need to. I also asked him to present real evidence, which he didn't do in his scenario.

I also told him to shut it with the sarcasm. It's annoying as ****.

Anyway, nobody is denying that the problem exists. WarEagle even explicitly said that earlier. This is just neither the place or situation to do so.


This does ****** all.

Different IP = end of investigation
Last edited at 9/01/2016 2:04 pm

Re: Wouldnt it be nice

By murderleg
9/01/2016 2:07 pm
Gustoon wrote:
murderleg wrote:
Gustoon wrote:
Gramps has had the ***** to bring up the Elephant in the room and NO ONE has had the ***** to even remotely agree with him.
Seriously if anyone thinks this game is snow white, you are truly deluded. There is a problem in here and it is easy to find, if you look hard enough.


What?

No one said the problem didn't exist. Nobody said they didn't agree with him that it exists.

I personally told him to take it out with JDB, not call some poor guy out on the forums. Like I said, all it does is make people feel like s*** when they don't need to. I also asked him to present real evidence, which he didn't do in his scenario.

I also told him to shut it with the sarcasm. It's annoying as ****.

Anyway, nobody is denying that the problem exists. WarEagle even explicitly said that earlier. This is just neither the place or situation to do so.


This does ****** all.


What?

You think we need to alert the whole community every time we have a suspicion? I respectfully disagree.

JDB needs to do his own investigation with his resources that you and rest of our community don't have. Privately.

Are you implying that JDB is incapable of doing the job? If so then offer an alternative, but calling people out on the community forums does nothing but ruin the reputation of a possible innocent player and also ruins his experience playing the game.

Last edited at 9/01/2016 2:09 pm

Re: Wouldnt it be nice

By murderleg
9/01/2016 2:16 pm
Gustoon wrote:
murderleg wrote:
Gustoon wrote:
Gramps has had the ***** to bring up the Elephant in the room and NO ONE has had the ***** to even remotely agree with him.
Seriously if anyone thinks this game is snow white, you are truly deluded. There is a problem in here and it is easy to find, if you look hard enough.


What?

No one said the problem didn't exist. Nobody said they didn't agree with him that it exists.

I personally told him to take it out with JDB, not call some poor guy out on the forums. Like I said, all it does is make people feel like s*** when they don't need to. I also asked him to present real evidence, which he didn't do in his scenario.

I also told him to shut it with the sarcasm. It's annoying as ****.

Anyway, nobody is denying that the problem exists. WarEagle even explicitly said that earlier. This is just neither the place or situation to do so.


Sorry can't be arsed to read all the way through yet another thread on this.

Where is then?



The place, like I said, is PMing JDB.

It is important we discuss this after we can prove the suspect was cheating, but finding that out is a private discussion. It's none of our business unless we are the ones accusing or receiving.

We don't need a lynch mob every time Gdad sees two lopsided trades going to completely different owners!

Re: Wouldnt it be nice

By Gustoon - League Admin
9/01/2016 2:23 pm
murderleg wrote:
Gustoon wrote:
murderleg wrote:
Gustoon wrote:
Gramps has had the ***** to bring up the Elephant in the room and NO ONE has had the ***** to even remotely agree with him.
Seriously if anyone thinks this game is snow white, you are truly deluded. There is a problem in here and it is easy to find, if you look hard enough.


What?

No one said the problem didn't exist. Nobody said they didn't agree with him that it exists.

I personally told him to take it out with JDB, not call some poor guy out on the forums. Like I said, all it does is make people feel like s*** when they don't need to. I also asked him to present real evidence, which he didn't do in his scenario.

I also told him to shut it with the sarcasm. It's annoying as ****.

Anyway, nobody is denying that the problem exists. WarEagle even explicitly said that earlier. This is just neither the place or situation to do so.


This does ****** all.


What?

You think we need to alert the whole community every time we have a suspicion? I respectfully disagree.

JDB needs to do his own investigation with his resources that you and rest of our community don't have. Privately.

Are you implying that JDB is incapable of doing the job? If so then offer an alternative, but calling people out on the community forums does nothing but ruin the reputation of a possible innocent player and also ruins his experience playing the game.



Drop the respect, I don't want it or need it.

Here's the thing, maybe just maybe there are a few on here that have done things 'privatly' already and got nowhere, so then it becomes really frustrating when you see illicit activity going on and on and on.

No, no one other than JDB is privy to the security aspects of this game and personally don't think he is either up to or does not have the time to track down these people.

I used to moderate some quite large public forums and the depths that people would go to to hide their multi accounts, to the point of even PM'ing themselves and having 'fake' conversations.

I couldn't care less if someone gets called out, grow up, its part of the game now.

Re: Wouldnt it be nice

By Gustoon - League Admin
9/01/2016 2:25 pm
murderleg wrote:
Gustoon wrote:
murderleg wrote:
Gustoon wrote:
Gramps has had the ***** to bring up the Elephant in the room and NO ONE has had the ***** to even remotely agree with him.
Seriously if anyone thinks this game is snow white, you are truly deluded. There is a problem in here and it is easy to find, if you look hard enough.


What?

No one said the problem didn't exist. Nobody said they didn't agree with him that it exists.

I personally told him to take it out with JDB, not call some poor guy out on the forums. Like I said, all it does is make people feel like s*** when they don't need to. I also asked him to present real evidence, which he didn't do in his scenario.

I also told him to shut it with the sarcasm. It's annoying as ****.

Anyway, nobody is denying that the problem exists. WarEagle even explicitly said that earlier. This is just neither the place or situation to do so.


Sorry can't be arsed to read all the way through yet another thread on this.

Where is then?



The place, like I said, is PMing JDB.

It is important we discuss this after we can prove the suspect was cheating, but finding that out is a private discussion. It's none of our business unless we are the ones accusing or receiving.

We don't need a lynch mob every time Gdad sees two lopsided trades going to completely different owners!


No such thing as private

Re: Wouldnt it be nice

By King of Bling
9/01/2016 2:37 pm
BS that it's OK to fling unfounded accusations with no evidence other than someone's 'opinion'!
I know I've been accused of cheating and nothing could be further from the truth.

If you're that unhappy, don't play. However, don't even think of condoning unfounded slanderous accusations as being acceptable or part of the game.

Re: Wouldnt it be nice

By Gustoon - League Admin
9/01/2016 2:42 pm
King of Bling wrote:
BS that it's OK to fling unfounded accusations with no evidence other than someone's 'opinion'!
I know I've been accused of cheating and nothing could be further from the truth.

If you're that unhappy, don't play. However, don't even think of condoning unfounded slanderous accusations as being acceptable or part of the game.



I have my opinion and other than directly name the scum that are doing it, will say what I like when I like. There are tits on here ruining the game and if we gently all go around our business quietly I'm sure they will all go away ;)

Re: Wouldnt it be nice

By Big D
9/01/2016 2:45 pm
I just started reading this thread, from the top. I want to trade my old/worthless players for high draft picks. Please provide a list of teams willing to trade high draft picks old/overrated football fodder (in the inevitable bag of footballs).

Thank you!

;-)

Re: Wouldnt it be nice

By murderleg
9/01/2016 2:48 pm
Gustoon wrote:
murderleg wrote:
Gustoon wrote:
murderleg wrote:
Gustoon wrote:
Gramps has had the ***** to bring up the Elephant in the room and NO ONE has had the ***** to even remotely agree with him.
Seriously if anyone thinks this game is snow white, you are truly deluded. There is a problem in here and it is easy to find, if you look hard enough.


What?

No one said the problem didn't exist. Nobody said they didn't agree with him that it exists.

I personally told him to take it out with JDB, not call some poor guy out on the forums. Like I said, all it does is make people feel like s*** when they don't need to. I also asked him to present real evidence, which he didn't do in his scenario.

I also told him to shut it with the sarcasm. It's annoying as ****.

Anyway, nobody is denying that the problem exists. WarEagle even explicitly said that earlier. This is just neither the place or situation to do so.


Sorry can't be arsed to read all the way through yet another thread on this.

Where is then?



The place, like I said, is PMing JDB.

It is important we discuss this after we can prove the suspect was cheating, but finding that out is a private discussion. It's none of our business unless we are the ones accusing or receiving.

We don't need a lynch mob every time Gdad sees two lopsided trades going to completely different owners!


No such thing as private



Again, what are you saying?

If I believe that someone is cheating I give my evidence to JDB and he deals with it. We don't need you and the community to go around with false claims policing everyone in your unfounded accusations. King is exactly right, and i'm not sure why you are liking his comment considering his point goes directly against what you just said. Accusations are a healthy part of the game, but you can do them without slandering someone who is most likely innocent.

Also, you have this ridiculous notion that we are denying the problem or hoping it quietly goes away. This is not true. Cheating exists but the community forums are not the place to attack it, as hard to believe as that may be.

Nobody can see my messages with JDB. Since that is the case I call it private. Privacy exists, that why they are private messages.
Last edited at 9/01/2016 2:52 pm

Re: Wouldnt it be nice

By Gustoon - League Admin
9/01/2016 2:48 pm
Big D wrote:
I just started reading this thread, from the top. I want to trade my old/worthless players for high draft picks. Please provide a list of teams willing to trade high draft picks old/overrated football fodder (in the inevitable bag of footballs).

Thank you!

;-)



So what you do is find that partner and do what you suggest, then in the other partners interest you join one of his leagues and reciprocate the kind offer.